Monday, April 28, 2014

FDA regulation of e-cigarettes: huge costs, little or no benefit, says CASAA


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

WASHINGTON, April 28, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Last week, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) released its long-awaited draft regulations for electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) and other low-risk alternatives to smoking. The regulations offer little benefit, according to The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA), the leading advocate for the current and future consumers of low-risk alternatives to smoking. However, CASAA believes that should the FDA finalize the rule in its current form, it will inflict devastating harm on consumers.

“This is a classic case of government imposing a ‘solution’ and then looking for a problem,” said CASAA President Julie Woessner, J.D. “The regulations do nothing to address real concerns, and instead are a slow-motion ban of the high quality e-cigarettes that have helped so many smokers quit. The rules would mostly require busy-work filings that impose huge costs with little apparent benefit.”

The proposed regulations are based on a faulty understanding of the science, reports CASAA Scientific Director, Dr. Carl V. Phillips. “FDA has cherry-picked the available evidence,” says Phillips, “blindly accepting any assertion that favors aggressive regulation and ignoring the overwhelming evidence about the harms that these regulations would cause.”

Although the regulations do not openly ban the refillable devices that are preferred by experienced users, they impose a costly registration and approval process that would effectively eliminate them. Such registrations offer minimal benefits, but ensure that only a few large companies who mass-produce small and disposable products would be able to afford the necessary filings. Additionally, while the regulations do not immediately ban the variety of popular flavors for e-cigarette liquid, they signal an intention to do so in the future.

“Our research and others’ shows that higher-quality hardware and appealing flavors are important for smoking cessation,” says Phillips. “Many former smokers report that they were always tempted to go back to smoking while using the smaller devices with imitation tobacco flavoring, but they quit smoking for good when they found better hardware and flavors that no longer reminded them of smoking.”

It is estimated that as many as a million American smokers have quit or substantially reduced their smoking thanks to e-cigarettes, and many are already making plans for a black market if these regulations take effect. Those smokers who are using e-cigarettes in a transition stage could easily return to smoking--and future potential switchers may never be able to make the transition--if the restrictions on high-quality products are imposed. Woessner, who quit smoking thanks to e-cigarettes, fears such impacts. “If I had been limited to only those products that would exist under this regulation, I would probably still be smoking.”

CASAA is preparing a response that will point out the flaws in the proposed regulations and is organizing its members and hundreds of thousand of other e-cigarette users in an attempt to persuade FDA about the harms this regulation would cause. Should that fail, it plans to fight the regulations in court.

CASAA is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, public health, membership NGO. It does not represent the interests of industry. Donations are not tax-deductible as a charitable contribution.

Contact: Carl V Phillips, CASAA Scientific Director, 651-503-6746, cphillips@casaa.org.
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CASAA Members: Please email this press release to your local newspapers and news stations.

56 comments:

Kathy Littlefield said...

What is behind this is not the FedGov looking for more regulation but Big Tobacco worried about loss of profit and pushing on members of our Gov.

Glenn Wakefield said...

While I agree with @Kathy Littlefield regarding Big Tobacco having a vested interest in squeezing out cottage industry and entrepreneurial innovation, I would also point out that Big Pharma is actually a more interested party.

If the most effective devices and methods are aborted by regulation and only the least effective devices and flavors are permitted to survive, the pharmaceutical manufacturers will continue to be able to make a massive profit off of mainly ineffective and extremely overpriced placebos that only they have the facilities and authority to produce. (Chantix, Nicorette, Nicotine patches etc...) Whereas if the more effective devices and flavors are allowed to flourish and are permitted to be effectively marketed to current smokers, our overall success rate for smoking cessation will be greater and even those who choose to continue to partake of nicotine will have a less harmful option available resulting in a decrease in smoking related illness overall.

This decrease in smoking related health issues will cause a subsequent drop in the demand for medication which has been easily marketable due to the high number of tobacco related health issues so far. The drop in demand for secondary medications will further decrease the income of the pharmaceutical companies. Thus, allowing vaping to proliferate would ultimately undermine the true goals of Big Pharma ie: to make money off of the illness and suffering caused by tobacco consumption.

I believe that we not only have Big Tobacco to contend with here, I think Big Pharma is also among the ranks of those posed to attempt to squelch the advancement of the Vaping Revolution.

Greg Watkins said...

In this article, CASAA spells out perfectly my own experience. The "cigalikes" did nothing for me except remind me of tobacco. It was only when I turned to higher quality device with flavors that no longer reminded me of tobacco that I was able to put cigarettes behind me for good. These are bad regulations that should be reconsidered.

Diana A. said...

Kathy & Glenn, both are very well thought out posts. Might I add that BigPharma is also on the front lines to keep marijuana illegal for the same reasons they're fighting vaping. Lilly has headquarters in my city, they own a huge piece of property that was formerly trashed & provide one heck of a lot of jobs, as well as bring in LOTS of money for the city & state. Its hard to fight pockets THAT deep.

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Patty Jeddy said...

We shouldn't forget the "crusaders" like Gantz, etc. If everyone quits smoking, all his grants stop, his department at UCSF shrinks and his influence becomes nil. This is true for the American Lung Association, as well as other crusaders that make their living as a result of people smoking, becoming ill and dying. I have not seen one study that shows nicotene is harmful in the amounts that are inhaled via vaporizer or cigalike. I've not seen a study that shows that nicotene in cigarettes and other combustables is harmful.

I believe Mr. Wakefield hit the nail on the head. So called "anti-smoking" research entities and associatiions are cohorts with Big Pharma in the effort to eliminate electronic cigarettes, nicotene liquiids, etc.

Olympus Vapors said...

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't big tobacco have major holdings in the pharmaceutical end as well?

Shawn said...

All I can say is that if ANY figure of authority attempts to confiscate my personal property (PV, mechanical mods, liquids, etc), .... you're gonna have a 6' 2", 230 lb problem and I don't go down easy. I've had enough of the government's impositions and insubordination. It's time for you white collars to wake up and realize that underneath all of starch, you're no different that myself or the next person. This country's bureaucratic system has been pulling the walls in closer on us just trying to make a living and caring for our families. We don't stand in your way of pushing your pens and wasting paper...don't stand in ours.Some of us won't mind stepping into your office and yanking you out from behind your desk to shake some common sense into you. I'll be a vaper for life. Try to stop me.

LotusBoi1989 said...

Been doing some research. Pure nicotine is no more harmful than pure caffeine. Yes, both concentrated will kill you, but according to http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/index.htm , its not the nicotine that's even addicting smokers. It's several other compounds in the tobacco itself.

Also, I know it's easy to get fired up about this, but unless we're civil, professional, and scientific about our approach, the FDA as well as the entire government will look down upon the entire vaping community as nothing but a bunch of hoodlums. All it takes is one bad apple to give the entire community a bad name. Please, bare this in mind as events unfold.

Filthy Fred said...

It is big tobacco but firms such as GlaxoSmithKline are also behind this. They produce Nicoderm CQ (Patch) and Nicorette (gum) and stand to loose millions in sales. The big investors in tobacco and pharmaceuticals don't want to see their returns reduced either. I will point out we have elections coming, if the politicians want our vote then they need to act NOW to kill this transitivity aimed at protecting corporate giants and their investors.

Dennis Ellis said...

I love ya like a fellow vaper LotusBoi1989, but I couldn't disagree with you anymore on what you said towards the end. What civil, verbal revolution or change has ever taken place without acts of violence. King's was the closest one but still led down that road. I'm not saying we have to go in with callused knuckles but we should be at least prepared to. Very, very little nowadays is it that change is made without blood, sweat or tears. We can go in civil, but know in the back of our minds that we will not take a "no" at any cost.

Chris Lang Ham said...

"and many are already making plans for a black market if these regulations take effect" I if I had any help getting that sentence put in this letter. On any link, video, or blog I found talking about the FDA proposal I said "I will make sure a black market form even if that means leaving school, work, family, etc...." I will stand by this even if it makes me a criminal overnight.

The Jen said...

I have sent emails to 58 news stations and newspapers. Here's to hoping the word spreads.

Scott Bohning said...

There are only two things that matter in DC, and it's not facts or common sense. Truth is, it's money and votes. We, as vapers, certainly don't have the dollars to stand toe to toe with the lobbyists such as tobacco or pharma. The only thing we have right now is our "voice". Right now, we need to be front and center and with as many numbers as we can manage.

Jeannie Davis said...

Seeing as I am a fellow vapor user, I agree. I started vaping to stop using cigarettes and it was the best choice that I could have made for myself and for my kids. I don;t have to worry about the second hand smoke harming my kids. We as a nation need to put our foot down and make it to where we no longer fear the government, but the government fearing the people. I am tired of the FDA approving things and them going out to consumers saying that they are healthy. On a website I have recently found, Robyn Openshaw states and I quote, " You should trust your gut instinct about what is and isn’t good for you, as well as genuine research not backed by profit-motivated industries. Cultivate a healthy mistrust of the ever-shifting, soothing recommendations to eat chemicals by the approval of FDA, whose motto for food additives seems to be “innocent even when proven guilty.” That is what they will do to the e-cigarette community, regulate and add harmful additives to the e-liquids that we use in vaping. We need to put a stop to this now and use our voices to speak up and challenge them.

The Queen of Junk said...

The whole thing was drafted and tailored for big tobacco that's for sure. They probably already have their application in. Hell they probably wrote the proposal. Clearly this regulation would quash all the smaller competitors.
I think it's extremely stupid to threaten to go back to smoking. That's exactly what they want.
The easiest thing you can do is let all legislatures know now that we are planning their demise in massive numbers. Write this one to every candidate and politician. "As I prepare for the next election please tell me your stance on electronic cigarettes". Write nothing else and wait for their reply.

mydogaugie said...
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mydogaugie said...

The FDA and Big Pharma have long been a revolving door designed not to serve the public interests. The FDA is merely the enforcement arm of the other, unconcerned with serving the people.

ariel asido said...

Anyone know whats so special about feb 25 2007?

Chris Gebhard said...

Feb 25, 2007 has to do with the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

Chris Gebhard said...

Or was it Feb 15, 2007

Jason Belken said...

I don't understand what Big Tobacco have to fear. If they would stop fear mongering and would, Oh I don't know. Put out their own mods. Maybe they would make some of that money back. Instead they try to force the government to ban something that could in the long run make them more money. Guess those CEOs can't think outside the box.

Donna Schneider said...

I was a 50 plus years smoker. I tried quiting cold turkey, patches, pills gum etc. Spent a huge amount of money n suffered weird side effects. Started vaping 1year and 2 months ago n havent smoked a cigarette in all that time. Cigarette smoke now irritates me, my sense of taste and smell have returned . No more ashes, butts or stink! I am currently lowering my nicotine levels every 2 months and am approaching 0 nicotine. Thank Heavens for this product I will finally b smoke free!

The Queen of Junk said...

1st of all it's not a ban. It's designed to only permit certain products (big tobacco's cig-a-likes and thier version of an ego kit) on the market. Our devices are far superior and would compete in a big way.

jessica rodgers said...

I am a proud member of CASSA and I will definitely do what I can to help our cause. I will forward your release to my local news stations.
Thank you, for all that you guys do.

sara krepps said...

I am an analytical chemist who after 20 years of trying to quit cigarettes has finally done so with e-cigs. Though she won't outright endorse it, my doctor is amazed at how good my lungs sound after only a few months of vaping. I no longer have smoking induced asthma! Should these regulations go I to effect, I will just make my own juice and I will share my recipe with anyone who wants it.

coren olmeda said...

I just want to move to B.C. Canada more and more everyday, the U.S.A. is increasingly becoming more and more of an unpleasant place to live and I feel like there no longer is an "American" dream when everything seems like its all about PROFITS, the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. Black Market sounds awesome as I will line my pockets DEEP as if I was a drug dealer

mj keeton said...
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mj keeton said...

Big pharma is the driving force behind this. We need to present a united and mature front to get our message to the FDA. The "F*ck the FDA" mod wraps being pushed by Mod Envy and Vapor Joe's are hardly the image we want to portray if we want to be taken seriously. All the talk about a "vaping underground" is cute, but if we are serious about keeping these new regulations from crippling the vaping industry, we need to be organized and have appropriate representation. The people using this situation as a way to make a buck off frustrated and upset vapers are not our allies.

Jeannie Davis said...

It is Feb 15, 2007 and it is found in Sec 910 (The application for Review of Certain Tobacco Products) of the Family Smoking Prevention And Tobacco Control Act.

Jennifer Lowe said...

Forwarded this to several news stations and papers, and sent an e-mail to Greg Gutfeld. Hopefully it'll prove fruitful.

Gina Leslie said...

Well said Glenn!

Ricardo Vidal said...

Amen, sister.

Ricardo Vidal said...

Amen, Sister.

MrBback said...

Yet another money driven witch hunt by our government backed by Big Tobacco and Big Pharma's lobbyists in DC. Let's keep fighting the fight by telling everybody we know, whether they're vapors or not. I have MANY non-vaping friends that are even on-board so the battle is on! We won't nor CAN we back down

TheStelzy said...

Look at all these pills for vitamins, dietary, even health medicine that are NOT approved be the FDA and they can pit what ever the heck they want in them for the most part just to show up years later on some lawsuit commercial.. its stupid that that stuff so easily available and running rampid yet some thing that is doing what the government wants "quit smoking" that isn't big tobacco owned or FDA approved that actually works it holy hell gotta stomp that crap into a mud hole we're losing money

Jennie Freeman said...

I'm very into the innovation, life saving, economy growing that is vaping. Finally, the people find a way to healthily quit smoking, create jobs, & help people & the FDA wants yo take it all away. This is all big pharmacy, & big tobacco. How can they claom to be "for the people" , yet approve gmos in our food without our knowledge, but somehow put all of these restrictions on vaping? Go ahead & restrict sales to 18, & put a label saying nicotine is addictive, & then straight up STEP OFF. We are grown capable adults, most of us trying not to smoke anymore, & Vaping has done that for us. To literally write into this proposal about how the different flavors might make children want to vape, i don't see you trying to ban alcohol from being flavored. Oh, I'm sorry, the government makes money off that don't they? By taxing the crap out of it. I'm tired, I don't have time at the moment to hit on every detail of this ridiculous proposal, but I will say that I as well as many others are mot going to sit idly by while you take away our devices, & people's jobs. We aren't going away.

Angela Potter said...

It took me 20 years to quit smoking, I tried everything on the market and now I vape. I am down to 4mg nicotine, barely use it anymore, it was my life saver. I try to help where ever I can, count me in.

Trails123 said...

Alcohol prohibition comes to mind. People will find the ways and means to get what they crave; above or below the table. Restricting availability to sub par E-Cigarettes would certainly create a black market. I can see it now; want-to-be engineers throwing together E-Bombs and Bathtub E-Liquid!

Norische said...

LotusBoi1989 ... well said.

I would like to add that anything in excess is harmful, chocolate, caffeine, salt, nicotine, several vitamins or minerals, heck even sunshine in excess is harmful. The point is When do we as consumers draw the line and say enough is enough? When do we say " you have controlled our life and our choices for too long and we will no longer stand for someone else to force us to surrender our rights to choose what we want to do?"

Many good men and women have died to keep this country free, but is it really free when the PharmCo. get to make choices that should be our right to make? First they said that we couldn't have flavored cigarets, then it was flavored tobacco, now they say we cant choose an alternative that has no harmful effects except nicotine. No second hand smoke, no tar, no smell, none of the 4000 chemicals/chemical reactions that are present when you smoke a standard cigarette, nothing that will effect anyone what so ever except the individual vaping.

At this point we must question...why? The answer is simple...money. The people that want to regulate vaper cigs are the same people that sell all other nicotine products. They want to make sure that they get the biggest cut of the pie, and they want to make sure that the consumer pays as much as possible for it. It is nothing but business, it has nothing to do with health concerns or any other lie they can come up with....it is plain and simple... MONEY.

Norische said...

I have one final comment, if the FDA is so bloody worried about the nicotine in vapor cigs, then why not get off they arse and ban nicotine altogether. Dont make it just so the cigarette companies are the only ones that can profit. If you are going to do a job, do it right. Ban all nicotine in all products what so ever. No nicotine additives for any products, no nicotine patches, no nicotine gums, no cigarettes, no tobacco, no cigars, nothing.

By allowing the cigarette companies and PharmCo to control this issue all they are doing is playing politics, who ever has the money gets to make the rules, gets to make the decisions and gets to lie to the world and say it is in their best interest if they do what they say.

Do it all or leave it alone, we are drawing the line. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

tammy~1986d said...

I won't support big tobacco or big pharmcy. One tries to kill us. The other bleeds us dry with false promises that don't work. If it comes down to it l'll get my vaping supplies on the black market. I use ego's and they will most likely still be around but if big tobacco is the only way I can get them legitimately, they had better think again.

Trails123 said...

According to the proposed regulations, Tobacco products that were commercially marketed (other than for test marketing) in the United States as of February 15, 2007, are not "new tobacco products" subject to the premarket requirements, and FDA refers to these products as "grandfathered.” Those are the cigarette lookalike types. The ones that Big Tobacco has invested in! There may be a chance that Egos will get FDA approval as a new product; if the extortion fees are paid!

Zachery Anderson said...

I'll be honest...I've butt heads with CASAA and ECF in the past....but this isn't the time to quabble amongst ourselves. We all need to unite...the peaceful voices, the "F*** the FDA" rebels, the bloggers, the protesters, and most importantly, the hopeful! Because vapers are ALL of those things and more...every one of us has a different strength and talent to bring to this cause and every day our numbers grow stronger and most of us don't know it because most of us are the e-Go users and the newbies who don't even know what is going on or that their new chance at a smoke free life is about to be taken back by a tobacco company with the government's permission. What we need now is to play to all of our strengths....CASAA is the face at the national level, but we can do more than donate and email....we can form local vape meets, we can find other vapors and ASK, not force, them to listen. If you can talk then talk, if you can write then write, if all you can do is put a "Fuck the FDA" wrap on your mod and that is how you get someone's attention to alert them to the truth than do it....we don't need to be told what we can't do to be heard and seen, we are not children. We need to be seen now more than ever...it's Vapor not smoke and it's time the FDA and Big Pharma/Tobacco smelled the truth. So play to your strengths...if you ever thought you were going to be part of something big, now is your time. Fight the FDA and prove Thomas Jefferson right when he said "the greatest for of tyranny is too much government." Let us show them what "We the people..." still means.

Zachery Anderson said...

I made one typo in a very important quote....Thomas Jefferson said "The greatest form of tyranny is too much government." I accidently put "for" instead of form. I don't want to delete my whole post for one T but at the same time if I did it would prove my point even more...food for thought :)

Coleen Badeaux said...

Vaping has saved my life! THE END!

Jennifer Askew said...

Canada is having their own problems with e-cigs with regard to Health Canada. Escaping to another country won't do anyone any good. The only thing we can do is fight back using our votes, letter campaigns, protests, etc.

vaporjake said...

Not only is vaping safe it has created new industries in America. Stores are opening all over the country and jobs are being created. Out sourcing has truly hurt our country and the FDA wants to hurt us even more by banning a billion dollar industry in vaping.
Whether you smoke, vape or are a non smoker altogether don't let the FDA take away our right to be an American with freedom of choice.
All this will do with these regulations is create an underground network that isnt taxed, loss of jobs and rentals of store fronts etc.
We all have to unite and stop this now whether you vape, smoke or not.
This is a direct attack on all of our freedoms!!! ! !

GrillSgt said...

Part 1:

I've said it before... It's all about the money. Big pharma, big tobacco, even the non-profits like ALA (American Lung Association), though the medical non-profits' stance against vaping and harm reduction are otherwise completely bewildering. If people quit smoking they lose money. Big tobacco has taken steps to profit from the vaping industry by purchasing or developing their own technology (cigalikes), but they could very well develop their own advanced products and juices. Big pharma could also enter the market, especially with juices since they are essentially "chemical" companies. I'm fine with that.

The current proposed regulations aren't actually that bad, though they could lead to greater regulation in the future. What especially concerns me are the registration costs. If they indeed are as high as rumored, those costs alone will put all small companies out of business, leaving the market to big pharma and big tobacco. It will stifle innovation and we'll be "stuck" with poorly performing products and limited choices in flavors (flavors are not regulated - yet - but with big tobacco in control, flavors will be limited, and thereby tacitly regulated, and they may be outright banned by FDA regulation in the future - this is my second biggest concern). Black markets and underground exchanges will rise up and make criminals of those who use these methods (buyers and sellers).

I'm all for some regulation (restricting sales to those under 18 or even 21, purchasing products for minors [just like purchasing alcohol for minors], proper labeling, childproof packaging, and the like). I don't have a problem with product testing (chemical analyses for juices, UL testing and approval for hardware) and product registration as these help ensure the safety of the products. But product testing and registration costs must be reasonable. Excessive product testing and registration costs will force companies to close their doors (or push them to the underground), contribute to job loss and unemployment, and stifle innovation and entrepreneurship within the industry and lead to inferior products and fewer choices. To be continued...

GrillSgt said...

Part 2...

I was forced to quit smoking more than 2.5 years ago due to a cancer scare (not mine). I was miserable for about 5 days until I found some disposable e-cigs in a Walgreens that provided relief. In those 2.5 years, my wife and I progressed from disposable cigalikes to cartridge cigalikes, to Ego models to, finally, more advanced mods. I occasionally by juice from local vape shops, which have sprouted up like weeds over the past two years here in Las Vegas, but more often I make my own juice because 1) it's a lot cheaper and 2) I can make the exact flavors I like. My doctors are thrilled that I haven't smoked for 2.5 years (obviously). Only one suggested that vaping still carries risk (which it does), but he also suggested that the risk from vaping is far less than the risk from smoking. He also agreed that nicotine alone, while addictive, is no more harmful than caffeine (he follows vaping research). This same doctor suggested that I might have COPD because of my nearly 25 years of smoking and wrote that in my records. It was alarming, so I asked for a pulmonary function test. I had the test two days ago and the results were in the normal range (breathing easy - pun intended).

About a year and a half ago, I was in the early stages of building a vape juice business. I abandoned the idea when the local market exploded. But I was also concerned with, at that time, the pending FDA regulations. Had I continued to build that business, I would probably go out of business once the regulations are put into place. I wouldn't have the capital to register even one juice flavor.

Freedom isn't free. Freedom requires work. Sometimes you have to fight for freedom. Sometimes people die for freedom. We all can do something whether it's attending public hearings, speaking at public hearings, speaking with and/or writing to elected officials at the local, state and national levels, writing thoughtful, well written posts and articles on the internet (on your own website or as a guest writer on someone else's website), speaking/interviewing with news agencies, creating videos and posting them on YouTube, and more. If you want the freedom to choose what and how you vape, you must work for it.

Ron S said...

While I agree Big Tobacco is part of the drive of these actions. It would seem this is more about the 2.3 billion in sales and the ability to tax under a sin tax label. The history would show this is how they have acted in the past. I find it amazing that vegetables that contain nicotine natural will not fall under this BS classification. Also, 2 years ago I was prohibited in Ohio from use in a Bar. The comical note is the owner owned two bars and one was ok the other not and they were across the street. Had a good tab going and just said I'll leave they said pay your tab, I replied if your asking me to leave I will but will not pay tab and will report you for smoking at the door. You have broke the 30 foot law, which is a 1500 dollar fine.

Coleen Badeaux said...

You got that straight!!!!!

Coleen Badeaux said...

Nicotine is also in antidepressants and that's why pharmaceuticals are interested. You know how many people are on them! With e-cigs no one will need them anymore! No one will need health care. It gets delivered better than with cigarettes that are "laced" with all the poisons. Also if this is all about the kids, lets really get down to business and bring up ALL the facts!!!

Coleen Badeaux said...

Yeah, well guess what! I know someone that made his very own from scratch and he'll make me one too!

Anonymous said...

Something to consider. The FDA as with the rest of the government is very used to dealing with society on a large scale and has learned how to corral people into believing they have been give a fair deal when in actuality what has just happened would have been illegal for the govt to do so instead they stand to impose a largly unfair and again illegal notion then when there is resistance they offer a deal that people take because they feel like they have won in some form and got the GOVT to budge but what really happened is they overshot knowing they would have resistance in the first place and got you to settle on what their initial plan was to begin with. furthermore the FDA is the one who is likely to benefit most from all of this. I feel it has little to do with big tobacco or big pharm. My reasoning, FDA is paid by our tax dollars. Big GOVT is paid by our tax dollars. Tobacco is taxed in all traditional forms. the GOVT and FDA get money for their being used. as of right now we pay state taxes if any on our liquids and many of our supplies any other taxes incurred at this point are meerly for trade and transportation of said goods but the chemicals themselves being unregulated are un-taxed. so to make my point minus further rambling, obsurd bill put into place we fight it they counter with a taxation which feeds the FDA and GOVT they get what they want we pay more and ultimately have lost because they got what they came for all along. all of this is based and created due to the loss of tax revinue from tobacco sales.

Anonymous said...

I was smoke for 15 years, and I have to say without electronic cigarets I would definetly not be on this earth today. I compleatly dis agre with the FDA to ban e cigs. Electronic cigarets have helped many around the world get off of those cancer stiks so in conclusion I do disagree with the FDA