Thursday, April 24, 2014

FDA releases e-cigarette rules

Today the FDA finally released its long-awaited proposed rules on e-cigarettes.

On its face, it appears that it is not as bad for consumers as it might have been, but there are still serious concerns. The FDA approval process is very complicated, and the details matter. Unlike some commentators, we are not prepared to say much more until we have a chance to examine them and consider them in the context of existing institutions.

It's important to remember that the recently published rules are only proposed rules at this time.The next step for the FDA will be to open a docket for public comments, which will last for 75 days. After analyzing the 240-page document, CASAA will issue a Call to Action for its members detailing any consumer concerns, instructions for submitting public comments and possible talking points.

To download a copy of the rules: Click Here

84 comments:

  1. I just called the FDA to inquire about these deeming regulations and the woman I spoke to refused to give me any information about the regulation and when I asked to be transfered to someone who could she hung up on me. This is obviously a campaign to ruin the electronic cigarette industry by calling it a "Tobacco Product" when it is clearly not. I mean tomatoes contain nicotine, are they a tocabbo product? No. This is absolutely baffling to me. I believed we lived in a democratic society, but obviously this is not the case anymore.

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    2. This is democracy man. The majority rule, and the majority do not like the smoking minority and many of that majority would have all the smokers die and just go away rather than tolerate the sight of someone vaping.

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    3. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC; NOT A DEMOCRACY! How many times do I have to tell people this?!?!

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    4. Way I understand it--the ecig industry took the lesser of 2 evils route of calling themselves a "tobacco product" instead of the other option: a "medical device" (i.e. a nicotine vaporizer).
      Medical devices or pharmaceuticals already have an extensive application and approval period with enormous costs associated with approval for sale.
      You would not be vaping right now if they went this route.

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    5. This is neither a democracy, nor a constitutional republic. Those days are dead and gone. We are now vassals, serfs in a neo-feudalistic, plutocratic oligarchy. The billionaires want Nicotine and vaping dead. They own the government, with all their bureaucratic fronts like the FDA, and get what they pay for from corrupt politicians.

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    6. The only reason they are trying to tax everything and put all this stipulation on it is because the GOVERNMENT is loosing soooo much money because we quit smoking the states got 2-5 dollars on every pack they sold and the government got some so this is the only reason....they have lost millions because people quit ...shouldnt we worry about the prescription pills that is worse than an ecig really and do they not realize u can get the ecig with no nic so how can they say its tabacco if there is no nic or tabacco ....

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    7. https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/deeming-regulations-simplified

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    8. It's actually an oligarchy, in other words, the mighty dollar rules.

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    9. Government doesnt want to lose big tax dollars from the buddies over at big tobacco, FDA is the dirty little middle man making it seem legal..sad..really...couple thoughts here..bundy ranch..sometimes..the people..can...take..the..country..back..sometimes we just have to go, you know what..NO..we wont follow that rule, we didnt vote on it..and we will fight any attempt...

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    10. While it is true that America became an oligarchy (monied, corporate interests controlling the government by proxy) long ago, we are rapidly become an outright fascist state, where corporations plain and simply are the government.

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    11. I think the consistent method employed to govern the people in the manner of big brother continues to ruin the world. I mean as stated many things contain nicotine, let's talk about the thousand of chemicals in cigarettes. So here we are altering our methods to improve our health and rid ourselves from the effects of cigarettes and the result is that the government needs to add some method to extract monetary gain from it hence the costly application required from manufacturers....I say the hell with that and we need to combine and unify as one and let our voices be heard!

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    12. Shredder is correct people.... The United States is a Republic.. Not a Democracy. Look it up and quit listening to the Democrats, they would love for us to be a democracy but too bad, we are a republic.

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  2. Don't really think they extract the nicotine used in ejuice from tomatoes........ And this is the straw that opened your eyes to America not being a democracy anymore? They aren't going to talk to you about anything, it hasn't been "published" yet but is scheduled to be published tomorrow, maybe they will after that but I'm sure you were level headed and calm when you called.......... remember, screaming and yelling never accomplishes anything.

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    1. I know the company greensmartliving use tomatoes and potatoes for their nicotine. They have a better flavor too.

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    2. Yeah, but sometimes, screaming at some ignorant bitch can give great satisfaction, especially, if the ignorant bitch won't respond to sensible questions. I would call back, and as soon as she answered tell her to fuck off, and hang up. Retribution feels so good sometimes. Remember, Karma is a bitch.

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  3. Democracy began a free fall in 2009, government has to get it's hands in everything now, and bow to the money, i. e. Big pharmaceutical and big tobacco

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    1. Democracy began a free fall in 2009??? Democracy fell WAY before that, sir! Let's think about the 80's when President Regan tried to break labor unions.. the unions that stand up & fight for employees! A UNION takes a vote & then writes a contract.. Don't say Democracy started falling in 2009!! Democracy started falling well before that!

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    2. You are so correct. I find it almost impossible to believe that so few people see the Reagan Union busting of the eighties as the beginning of the end that it was. People got their heads busted open and worse organizing labor unions back in the day including my beloved departed grandmother who helped organize the east coast garment sweat shops many decades ago so that slave wages and near slave labor could become a thing of the past and the people who actually do the work of building and making things could have a halfway decent way of life for themselves and their loved ones and have some semblance of dignity at the workplace only to have it all but wiped out in a brief thirty years or so. My poor Granny must be spinning.

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    3. the unions are are dead (as in useless). why do we need somebody else to sell us out. the union reps are the ones who caused my dad to lose over half of his retirement, it wasn't the company. sure the company paid the union reps, but the reps are the ones who told the men that they had better take early retirement because they wouldn't be called back to work. funny thing was that when the men took early retirement. they called the younger men back to work within a couple of months, and were still in operation for more than 10 years. this is what the union is worth. they are trash the same as big tobacco, big pharm, or the United States government. who ever pays them the most is who they look out for.

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  4. So does this mean I can no longer have tastetest table even if it is non nicotine testers? They said no samples.

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    1. No more nicotine containing samples

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    2. then charge a small fee like buy a drink or a bottle of liquid and while you wait here is our product bar. now we all know its still a sample but with the addition of a charge the context changes

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    3. charge a penny to sample nic liquids.





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    4. Or buy the condom cover (for a penny) you use to sample the product.

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  5. A call to action is indeed needed but what's much needed is to truly unite to redefine some of these terms. Regulation is necessary but not all of the things they're stating in the rules is fair. It's advisable to ALL OF THOSE WHO VAPE to review what the documents are stating to get an idea of what's at hand here. Change is coming and we still have a chance, people!

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    1. Regulation is NOT necessary. Each individual company and store can self regulate. It works. It is the way of freedom.

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    2. The biggest thing i see is getting vape products classed separately from tobacco products. Regulation isn't always a bad thing' it just needs to be done correctly.

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    3. Unfortunately that is not the society we live in. There are some needs for regulation. This started as an industry of people helping people with something new they found. Now the businessman has entered the industry. How can they make it cheaper and make more money. That is the reason for the need of regulation. The next 75 days to 2 years will determine the fate of the humble e-cigarette. Hopefully there are some straight laced politicians still in the FDA willing to hear an organized, clear, and concise argument on how we feel on the matter. Now is the time to hope for the best, plan for the worst, and unite to help in any way we can!

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    4. i agree some regulation is needed/expected such as product labeling child proof caps laws against sales to minors but the proposed regulations are to extreme

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  6. I know that the founding members of CASAA will not like what I have to say, but I've said it numerous times and believe it's a very disturbing issue that's now too far gone to remedy. In the CASAA "rules and guidelines", in so many words states that the name "e-cigarettes" will not and cannot change. I knew this would become a huge issue, and it has. By classifying vaping devices as "e-cigarettes", we've inadvertently put them in the same category as tobacco. Now we will live by our mistake. We can't use the true argument that this isn't a tobacco product when the dictionary refers to cigarettes as tobacco products or by-products. Do we still have time to change the name and, therefore the classification as a "tobacco product"? I'm not sure, but by calling anything related to vaping, whether it be the devices or the juices, we've put ourselves smack in the same industry as tobacco, and now we will be regulated as such.

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    1. Explain then the term "marijuana cigarettes". It is obviously not a tobacco product.

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    2. I have thought the same thing, the name E Cigarette is just asking for trouble. We should change to Personal Vaping Devices. Anything but relating us to Cigarettes.

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    3. Everyone should have a problem with that, imo. In the FSPTCA even Congress makes a distinction between tobacco and nicotine. We should as well. The topic should be about alleged harm from nicotine (almost zero).

      From the FSPTCA:
      SEC. 2. FINDINGS

      The Congress finds the following:

      (1) The use of tobacco products by the Nation’s children is a pediatric disease of considerable proportions that results in new generations of tobacco-dependent children and adults.

      (2) A consensus exists within the scientific and medical communities that tobacco products are inherently dangerous and cause cancer, heart disease, and other serious adverse health effects.

      (3) Nicotine is an addictive drug.

      And science is starting to find that item 3 may only be the case when it's delivered along with the process of burning the host plant.

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    4. I know people who have been vaping for years using liquid with "zero" nicotine! Is it still considered a tobacco product? I think not!

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    5. Calling them "e-cigarettes" has absolutely nothing to do with how the FDA can regulate them. Even if they were called "personal vaporizers," the FDA would still have authority to regulate them as "tobacco products," so long as they contain nicotine extracted from tobacco.

      Using nicotine extracted from another source (vegetables) or sythetic nicotine could be a temporary work-around, but that wouldn't help the 99.9% of e-cig companies that use tobacco-derived nicotine right now.

      Calling them something else may have kept them off the FDA's radar for a little while longer, but because they contain so-called "highly addictive and toxic" nicotine, "look like" smoking, come in flavors "to lure children" and exhale vapor into their "clean air," it was inevitable that the anti-tobacco and nicotine zealots and health groups would object to them regardless of what we called them.

      As an example, certain states are now proposing laws that are making the distinction between tobacco and "nicotine delivery products" but they are still treating them exactly the same as far as ordinances (banning indoor use, restricting advertising, stores opening) and taxes. That is a clear example that calling them something else won't (and isn't) make any difference in how they (and we) are being treated.

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  7. I believe if the regulations stop here, that would be great. Even standards for juice would be okay. However, the underlying threat they are trying to tell us is not happening, is happening. This is kind of trying to pull the wool over our eyes so we stop fighting back. But we will NOT let these people take away our vapes. It's wrong and disgusting how OBVIOUS it is that this "health organization" does NOT care about us at all. Money money money. If regulations come down, I am afraid for my own life and the lives of so many others that have been changed and saved by these products. Stop the laws here.

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  8. It is plainly obvious that major tobacco companies have lobbied for this. Im sure youbare familiar with the name Phillip Morris. Pall Mall, Marlboro, and more. The tobacco industry is taking a decent enough hit that they want to crush the competition. It is the EXACT same thing that made cannabis illegal. You can think it isnt that simple, but it truly is. That. Simple.

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    1. Lorillard (The owners of Newport) have already bought Blu Ecigs.. And Philip Morris are already looking to buy into the electronic. That is my belief why they want these regulations in place.. The big tobacco companies buy the electronic companies and can make more moeny.. They see the $2 billion dollar industry, & don't want to lose anymore of their $800 Billion!!!!

      http://seekingalpha.com/article/1999951-2-tobacco-companies-looking-at-electronic-cigarettes-for-growth

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    2. it is true that big tobacco companies are buying into the whole vaping market (that's as is expected ) but i also believe they are pushing these regulations so as to put the smaller companies/e-jucie providers out of business thereby cornering the market because only they can afford the enormous fees for the products

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  9. the "FDA" is an office that has more lobbyists than employees that ALL work for Big Pharma/ Big Tobacco. If the people who try to BETTER their lives by QUITTING tobacco and embrace an alternative (Vaping) bow down to the 2 entities that try TO KILL THEM (Pharma and Tobacco) all is lost. PLEASE stand up to the powers that want to regulate this new world with common-sense regulation...that WE already started. Work with US...the people who can vote LONGER AND STONGER because we quit smoking "Big Tobacco's Products"

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  10. Ok, I've been looking over this proposal and chatting about with a few friends and here's what I've come up with.

    This all hinges on convincing the FDA that eliquids and related ecig products are not tobacco products, they are alternative nicotine devices.

    At first this proposal didn't sound so bad, but the more I look it over, the worse it gets.
    Anything that gets classified as a tobacco product automatically falls under the strict tobacco regulations already in place, including but not limited to heavy, random tax hikes just like cigarettes.

    If inhalers, lozenges, gum and patches are not tobacco products, then neither is ejuice or any related ecigs products.
    If ejuice is a tobacco product simply because it has nicotine, then that would render inhalers, lozenges, gum and patches as tobacco products.

    There is no need to classify ejuice and ecigs as tobacco products to require labeling and underage restrictions.
    We already regulate similar things in similar ways that are not tobacco products such as porn and the food industry.
    The standards are already in place, they just need implementing and tailored to ecigs.
    This law goes too far and there will be nothing we can do about it if it passes as is.

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  11. The first I heard of the electronic personal vaporizer in 2008, when I started vaping. Although first made in 1984 in China.. STILL, it only took 5-7 years for these to be in the American market that the FDA had to butt in and let the Government dip their hands in the pockets of small businesses. How long have cigars been on the market & they are JUST NOW wanting to regulate them? 100's of years? Why all of a sudden are they thrown in with what is called "e-cigarettes"? Why did it take this long for the FDA to start trying to regulate cigars?? This regulation is pure BULLSHIT. Lorillard (Newport cigarettes) bought "Blu" e-cigs & Skycigs? And Philip Morris is looking to buy into the electronic market.. is this why this is going on?

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  12. Am I correct to assume that nicotine-free liquid is not classified under this regulation? If so, then its delivery device, e-cigarette, is not either. So liquid manufacturers can sell nicotine-free liquids and not be under this regulation and they can sell just one product, the nicotine base, and that would be regulated. Consumers will do the mixing themselves and get their nicotine liquid. How would that be addressed by the proposed regulation you think everyone?

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    1. I believe Canada does this already. Ejuice with no Nic can be sold along with the hardware. Be nice if we could still do that. Then we could stick up on liquid Nic and DIY our juice

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  13. Count me in when you issue the "Call to Arms" :)

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  14. Ment "Call to Action". What was I thinking hehehe

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  15. It's quite sad that we the people have no rights anymore. And even where we do, we are either lazy or too ignorant to bother doing something about it. The large corporations will eventually win their way because they know and study human behavior and have us all in the Palm of their hands. If fighting the e-fog regulations was to bring back human rights and freedom of choice it will not only prevent the same thing happening world wide but it will bring on a new era where we as people regain the right's that we were apparently born with. I urge every reader of this comment to ask themselves will I make a stand and make a difference, or will just do what I always do and leave it to someone else to fight a battle that cannot be won alone?
    I hope you don't lose any sleep over the reality that you may be creating for yourself, but I hope more that for once we/you decide to be united as people for a cause that at may change society forever and make them think twice about taking our very existance for granted.

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    1. e-fog will make a nice alternative name

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    2. Well said...but ... the truth is that no matter if every single one of us stands up to this FDA BS proposition. We still lose. The almighty $$$ always wins. There is too much money in Tobacco and Government Sales TAX to be lost if they don't act now. And they are. Articles everywhere you turn about " e-cig studies show possible worse then tobacco products" this is of course bullshit ... but there are more dumb asses out there then smart ones and they beleive it. The big $$% will win ... they will regulate as they see fit and line there pockets with our money. We will continue to vape... just that it will cost as much as cigarettes do. its that simple.And ohh ... only big tobacco will own all of the e-liquid and Government will collect its Taxes again!!! They happy .. and we get bent over and raped. Please continue vaping.

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  16. Federal Court Ruled. The FDA cannot ban Ecigs from a market. The devices used to vape cannot be regulated. Only the E-liquid can be regulated. Smokers can use anything to smoke. Tobacco is only regulated. Not what is used to smoke tobacco. A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT NEEDS TO BE FILED.

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  17. I plowed through the 241 page document and two things stand out to me:

    1) The FDA holds firm that electronic cigarettes cannot be marketed as healthier than tobacco cigarettes and they also say that they cannot be marketed as smoking cessation devices. Their language throughout the deeming regulation proposal constantly refers to e-cigarettes and their potential as a smoking cessation device, though.

    2) In the 2009 case against the FDA, Judge Leon shut down the FDA's claim that e-cigarettes were drug delivery devices. He took the cowardly way out and compromised, stating that they were tobacco products because the nicotine in them was derived from tobacco and that the FDA could only regulate them as tobacco products. Where this becomes a problem is that the FDA's proposal is regulating the devices as separate entities because they CAN be used with nicotine containing cartridges or liquid. I'm not sure if they can legally do that because the court has already ruled that they can not regulate the devices. It seems to me that they can only regulate them as tobacco products when they actually contain nicotine - something that only the cig-alikes contain. The e-cigarettes that many people are buying are simply devices void of any e-liquid that could be used to vape nicotine liquids or could be used to vape non-nicotine liquids. How can the FDA legally regulate them as both devices AND tobacco products when they have been told specifically that they cannot?

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    1. Agreed. I don't think the FDA has the authority to regulate hardware and that needs to be stressed during the public comment period. A couple of pieces of stainless steel pipe and a faucet screen from the hardware store could be used to smoke pipe tobacco, but that doesn't mean the FDA has any authority to regulate it. On the same vein, the ATF can't regulate hardware store pipes despite the fact that they could be used in an explosive. Furthermore, the same technology in e-cigs has applications outside of nicotine delivery such as model trains and fog machines...and no nic e-liquid.

      I think the hardware portion will be taken out of the final rule because it is a significant overreach and there are thousands of small business owners who would be negatively effected. All those head shops that sell pipes, water pipes and hookahs for "tobacco use only" would now have all their products taxed and regulated. Actually, casaa should reach out to those business owners to add voices to the cause.

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  18. Why do they consider the hardware a "tobacco product"? They make specific exclusions for pipes, but pipe tobacco falls under their regulatory control. At most they should have regulatory control over the ejuice, the toppers, batteries and mods are clearly outside of their jurisdiction.

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    1. I think you're missing the point. After they set their regulations, you won't be buying e-liquid. Period.

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  19. I've been vaping and off tobacco now for nearly nine weeks, and feel no urge to go back. Aside from the health issue (I feel better), it's also saving me money and there is a "hobby" aspect to it as well. Now the FDA has published a new set of rules that will change everything, not just for the consumer but the small shops as well.

    From what I've heard, the rules look straightforward, but are very detailed and would make it extremely difficult and cost-prohibitive for many small merchants (all?) to continue to exist. That would leave the large companies like R J Reynolds or Phillip Morris to take over (wonder if the FDA is in bed with these companies). Costs would go up, over-regulation would lead to higher taxes, and little price difference between ecig products and traditional tobacco. And what kind of warnings would be required, when the jury is still out over the long-term health effects? For that matter, if the big companies were dominate the market, what kind of chemicals might they add to increase the addicitive properties?

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  21. This is LEGISLATIVE TAKING. We see the Federal government agencies selectively taking interest in what special interest want. Not we the people by a decision of an elected representative based on scientific facts. We need to stop yielding power and control to Agency boards of NON Elected people who are free to make up and interpret laws that directly affect people’s freedoms.
    Government is overreaching in our everyday lives, find a product in your home that is not regulated by government. The US constitution does not allow for this. We must insist on living free from ownerus regulations, this is why we left England to come to America. Now people are oblivious to the LEGISLATIVE TAKING that is transpiring.

    We must take back control of our government from special interest and lobbyist that can subvert the peoples will and right to be represented. Our Right to Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness are being eroded with this LEGISLATIVE TAKING.

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  23. It should be fought on hardware. If you look at food preperation and consumption, the FDA has no regulation on toasters, silverware, ovens, pots, or pans. We can successfully argue this. The FDA can only regulate ingredients, and from this proposal, can only regulate things that contain nicotine. Simple.

    One of the most interesting stories of alchohol prohibition was that juice would be sold along with yeast with an explicit warning that the two products could be combined to make wine, which was clearly illegal and shouldn't be done. Flavor conncentrates do not contain nicotene, indeed they can be marketed as candy flavorings for home candy making. Nic-juice would be made to comply at certain nic levels. Since juice formulas change depending on Nic level, the flavorings would be labeled, for example, as Cherry6, which means it is optimally flavored to be added to a 6mg nic-juice, but you shouldn't because it might not be legal. And the community moves on.

    If we move towards mods, then the user is free from regulation, since everything is makeable by users. Current tanks and drippers are rebuidable with components that are not specific to vaporizers. I have a MVPII. It is clearly an emergency cell phone charger, with an odd screw connection at the top which is undoubtable for some weird foreign electrical device. So in the end, the only regulation is on cig-alikes. I can live with that.

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  24. I already submitted my own personal story of how vaping has saved and changed my life at the FDA website. I also included the facts that a little regulation is a good thing to keep everyone honest and at a high standard, and also over regulation will kill an industry that creates jobs, generates revenue and taxes for the states and local government.

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  25. Good lord after reading the "Rules" at around page 20 and onward the deeming process is gonna be our downfall. That's where they get their hands into the pudding and mess us all up. They want us to do all the work and then they'll decide if they need to step in, ha. The good ole government. Beware.

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  26. The FDA already regulates the ingredients contained in eliquid and they want eliquid ingredient disclosure to the consumer -great!. Why do they not have the same rule for big tobacco? The ingredients in eliqud are considered G.R.A.S. by the FDA. The FDA took 60+ years to classify lead as a toxic substance. You can have my vaporizer when you pry it out of my cold dead hand!

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  27. Never give in.. never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force.. never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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  28. well, comming along the same lines as the pots and pans guy, this industry has stiminulated the economy alot more in the last 2 years than any other product out there. think about how many vapor shops have popped up in just the last year, the jobs that have been made, and the citys they've came to. The last few years everyones been preaching on the jobs, economy, and so on, well we did it. if this industry closes each small bussiness shop thats be brought up the economy and jab market will take a hit from it. this goes all the way back to the manf. that make the atomizers.

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  29. I would like to voice my opinion on vaporizers, or as others call it (e-cigarettes, which i find is a bad representation). Vaporizers are a very intelligent design which gives the user a dose of nicotine in a very healthy and pleasurable way, which is in the form of a flavored vapor. this can help save people from terrible deaths from cancer caused by cigarettes or tobacco, as it most likely already has saves thousands. They DO NOT contain many of the terrible chemicals and other carcinogens that cigarettes have. The only chemical that the vapor has in it from cigarettes or tobacco is nicotine, which has very minimal health risks. I as a vaporizer user myself have found no heath problems or undesired effects of vapeing, as well as the many other friends and acquaintances who also use vaporizers. To make this clear everyone that i know uses vaporizers with e-liquid juice that is made of either PG (propylene glycol) or VG (vegetable glycerin) and food flavoring, these chemicals are already in the everyday foods we eat, most likely that you also eat. For example, this would be like banning kelp because of a health risk of mercury in tinny amounts, and then banning products like ice cream because as many people don't even know, there is a PRODUCT from kelp (carrageenan) in icecream as well as many other foods.
    The regulation of the Mods and the Atomizers i find very prejudice because of the so called link between cigarettes and vaporizers. There is already an exception for pipes for tobacco use and is not a vaporizer the equivalent in the way that it is used to produce the desired effect? The regulations on this should change.
    Please consider,
    From a concerned Vaper

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  30. Why is the plan to try to convince the FDA of anything? FDA is corrupt, they will not listen to us. Shouldn't the CTA plan be to try and convince the people that govern the FDA?

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  31. "The real owners the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, the politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice, you don't, you have no choice. You have owners, they own you, they own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations, they've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets, and they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They've got you by the b***s."

    ~George Carlin

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  32. http://cruisingtips.net/mbc/?p=3330

    Better ban these too.

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  33. The application and approval of all new devices is the only thing that bugs me at this point. Nicotine is a controlled substance so the banning of sales to minors is a no-brainer.

    To be honest, the only regulation that hasn't been suggested and one that I feel should be enacted is e-liquid manufacturers being required to produce their liquids in a clear room environment and be subject to board of health inspections. This is a product consumed by the public so safety is a big concern to me.

    I've been vaping for over a year and love it. I also work at a family owned and operated vape shop. We've already been enforcing the ban on underage sales and have been since the day we opened. We also refuse to bring in any liquid that isn't produced in a clean room or lacks a tamper evident seal or ingredient list.

    We all knew regulation was coming and that the government will find a way to tax it. As a community, we need to voice our opinions to our congressional representatives and to the FDA. While we may not change the outcome, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

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  34. If you all could feel as good as I do health wise since giving up tobacco. I have no tobacco in my vape it is nicotine. I don't light it on fire. There is no smoke burning from it's end. No second hand smoke! Patches are not considered a tobacco product, nor is gum. So why pray tell is this?? I also have a Doctor who is very please with this new smoke free way of giving up the nasty habit. He recommends it to his other smoking patients. You know this is not new like they want you to believe. It has been out since 2003. That is 11 years people. They are cracking down on this because of money! Everyone is losing including Dr.'s. Why does all these people really care if I smoke or don't or vape or don't. If I did not have vape I would be back to smoking the real tobacco product!

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  35. If it was regualted,which it already is,you must be 18yr. of age,all the juices are FDA.also how can they stop e-cigg products when they dont reg.ciggaretts..batterys in fact are just batterys.thats like stopping a Flashlight.or a atomizer.But I guess they can try to.???

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  36. I quit smoking using a vaping Mod,It worked for me,I have asma,need oxygen,and I tried to quit for 5 or more yrs, I could not quit,But when I was told about Vaping I gave it a try,And to my supprise I havent smoked a ciggarette in over a year,my lungs are doing better,my doctor told me that its better for my lungs especially since I stopped ciggaretts.I vape maybe 2 or 3 times in an hour,and I really dont need the nicotene either,So I cant see that it should be stopped,

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  37. What I'd like to know is how the fda can take years to come up with their proposed rules. Yet they give our vaping experts/ community only 75 days to come up with well thought out comments to the proposed rules?

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  38. i know the FDA doesnt want to say it, but the big name cigarette companies are playing a big part in this, because they are loosing money, and theres not as much tax money in vaping as there is in cigarettes. i have a crazy solution to cigarette companies loosing money, they should buy out some of the quality companies like Kanger, Innokin, and MtBaker Vapor. they should "Disney" them, buy them out, but let them keep doing what they do, just make a profit from it.

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  40. One...get your stupid "I hate republicans/democrats" shit out of here...you're part of the problem.

    Two...I've seen a lot of comments that look like ANTZ shills trying to discourage us. Get the "well...regulation is / can be a good thing, y'know" sock puppets out of here.

    Three...stick to the topic at hand, folks, quit hypothesizing what the government can and can't do and submit the f***ing comment!

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  41. Banning electronic cigarette can't be justified if we can find tobacco cigarette in market, so i think it is better to implement regulation on sale of tobacco cigarette as it cause high health risk in comparison to e-cigg.

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  42. I understand your views,I want to live smoking with vapor because it works for those who want to left.so I think FDA does not like to say that it works for us really well .

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  44. Good post on e-cigarette rules.

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